Date: 2008-12-24 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslik-evev.livejournal.com
Первую строчку обычно зимбабве занимает.

Date: 2008-12-24 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mewhoelse.livejournal.com
What do you think are the chances of Gazprom defaulting on external debt of $40 billion? What about Rosneft? So on and on. Dont you think Gazprom debt = Russian sovereign debt, then? draw back of the national championships :)

Date: 2008-12-24 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] favorov.livejournal.com
Кажется, шансы на дефолт у Газпрома не больше, чем у GM.
Нет?

Date: 2008-12-24 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mewhoelse.livejournal.com
GM is not relavant. My point is that these numbers for Russian sovereign debt do not take into consideration 400+ billion of state owned enterprises external foreign currency denominated debt. Should Russian state not include Russia state owned companie's debt among its liabilities?

Date: 2008-12-24 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] favorov.livejournal.com
Perhaps.
Do US and UK govts own any companies? Like Railtrack, RBS or Northern Rock in british case? Are their debts included in those figures? No idea...

Date: 2008-12-25 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mewhoelse.livejournal.com
in US case all latest bailout related liabilities are included in the 10+ trillion dollar figure. No idea about UK.

Fun link:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/more-bailout-comparisons/

Date: 2008-12-24 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] favorov.livejournal.com
Но кстати GM вполне относится к делу. Хоть она и негосударственная, но если ее долги будут в любом случае гарантированы правительством США, то и их надо бы прибавлять... нет?

Date: 2008-12-25 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mewhoelse.livejournal.com
I meant that I did not want to change the subject of the debate. As far as GM bailout - yes, its very relvant. Tack on another 17 billion.

В тему

Date: 2009-01-05 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] favorov.livejournal.com
http://neznaika-nalune.livejournal.com/456721.html
http://ibicvs.livejournal.com/15234.html
Кажется, в те цифры у всех входили корпоративные долги.
в примечаниях к исходной таблице, кстати, так и написано.

Date: 2008-12-26 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] garpoon-38.livejournal.com
Hi; как говориться, Без пользы жить - безвременная смерть.

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